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you are jack welch. jack, you have to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually, say, yes, anderson, i am taking that tweet back and send a new tweet to say, i was exaggerating. there are problems bls should look into it, but throw out an accusation, that is like asking the government -- >> look at this. we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. not one of them had a number below 8.1. >> the bureau of labor statistics, which determines the unemployment number is a nonpolitical and independent agency, by the way. >>> hundreds, if not thousands of convicted criminals could go free, all because of this chemist. the outrageous allegations about a massachusetts drug lab. >> i'm dr. sanjay gupta. meet jennifer, founder of code for america. it's kind of a peace corps for geeks. >> most people have seen that geek s have whicchanged the wor much in the past 10, 20 years, they haven't changed government yet. we get peopl
you are jack welch. jack, you have to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually, say, yes, anderson, i am taking that tweet back and send a new tweet to say, i was exaggerating. there are problems bls should look into it, but throw out an accusation, that is like asking the government -- >> look at this. we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. not one of them had a number below 8.1. >>...
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more about jack welch and g.e. and accurate numbers more in this show later. we have an interview with cnbc. >> we have a very professional civil service organization where you have top, top economists that work at the bls. it's really ludicrous to hear that kind of statement. >> eliot: and the always wise economic adviser had this message for jack welch. i quote love you jack, but here you've lost your mind. what a coincidence joining me now is austan goolsbee, former chairman of president obama's council of economic visors. conspiracy theories running wild, and how you generate them. what is your take on this. >> okay, the numbers come from iron fortress, somewhere in the bls. it's absolutely and totally ridiculous to say some how some political people changed the numbers in bls. it makes no sense whatsoever. look i'm friends with jack welch. he's a great guy. i have no idea what he's talking about. this is birtherrest crazy stuff. i don't know how you get--the same people saying that it's outrageous that the survey showed a lot more jobs than expected this
more about jack welch and g.e. and accurate numbers more in this show later. we have an interview with cnbc. >> we have a very professional civil service organization where you have top, top economists that work at the bls. it's really ludicrous to hear that kind of statement. >> eliot: and the always wise economic adviser had this message for jack welch. i quote love you jack, but here you've lost your mind. what a coincidence joining me now is austan goolsbee, former chairman of...
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follow jack welch at jack underscore welch. i'll be tweeting tonight. >>> up next, mitt romney now says his remarks on the 47% were in his words, totally wrong. why did he spend the last two weeks defending them and his surrogates did? keeping them honest on that. and looking to appear more moderate on a whole range of issues. we'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ or help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. that make kids happy. and even fewer that make moms happy too. with wholesome noodles and bite sized chicken, nothing brings you together like chicken noodle soup from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. like chicken noodle soup from campbell's. if we want to improve our schools... ...what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, b
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you are jack welch. jack, you've got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say, yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to send a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems, maybe bls should look into it, but throwing out the accusation, that's like asking the government, how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark at the back of it, ali, let's face it, okay? the facts are, ali, no matter how you want to look at this, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. not one of them had a number below 8.1. they were republicans and they were democrats. and all of a sudden -- >> i agree with you. >> you agree with that? >> i agree with everything you're saying, jack, and if your question was -- >> i wake up this morning and it's 7.8 with a bunch of asmptions. >> as the best ceo that america has ever had, there are two very powerful things you can say here. one i
you are jack welch. jack, you've got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say, yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to send a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems, maybe bls should look into it, but throwing out the accusation, that's like asking the government, how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had a question mark at the back of it, ali, let's face it, okay? the facts are, ali, no matter how you want...
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here's what jack welch, former ceo of g.e. was talking about when he talked about the tweet that questioned the veracity of the 7.8% jobs number. he was on "hardball" chris matthews. >> do you mean it's a coincidence or you have evidence there was corruption? >> i have no evidence of corruption. none whatsoever. >> so these chicago guys had nothing to do with the numbers? >> i don't know that. >> why did you say that? these chicago guys will do anything to change the numbers. you just said it in your tweet. >> i want to raise the question of these numbers. >> you do raise the question. >> because these numbers defy logic. they defy logic. >> so susan, more people from your party have latched onto this concept. is it embarrassing? is it true? is it ridiculous? >> it's shocking. when i first saw that tweet i thought he was kidding around. then to see him double down on chris matthews was frankly surprising. and i don't think many serious people take that statement seriously. that being said, it's amazing how much flack he's gett
here's what jack welch, former ceo of g.e. was talking about when he talked about the tweet that questioned the veracity of the 7.8% jobs number. he was on "hardball" chris matthews. >> do you mean it's a coincidence or you have evidence there was corruption? >> i have no evidence of corruption. none whatsoever. >> so these chicago guys had nothing to do with the numbers? >> i don't know that. >> why did you say that? these chicago guys will do anything...
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welch, jack welch needs to be out there helping the country get back on track. there are ceos and all sorts of people, re-tweeting what he has said. i think there are questions to be asked about the methods, pay take pla -- attention to the survey, the hours worked, that is what touches people. to say something like this is like donald trump, saying that president obama is not a citizen, without any proof. you are jack welch, take this opportunity while people are listening to you, i'm taking the tweet back, i exaggerated, there are problems, that is like asking the governor, how often do you beat your wife? >> i should have had the question mark on the back of it. let's face it, the fact is, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. not one of them did have a number below 8.1. >> all right, jack welch there, and the next number is due out in just four days before the election. >>> all right, would you believe that a 220 pound teacher is suing, because he said a 60 pound student beat him up. our
welch, jack welch needs to be out there helping the country get back on track. there are ceos and all sorts of people, re-tweeting what he has said. i think there are questions to be asked about the methods, pay take pla -- attention to the survey, the hours worked, that is what touches people. to say something like this is like donald trump, saying that president obama is not a citizen, without any proof. you are jack welch, take this opportunity while people are listening to you, i'm taking...
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so jack welch just can't let it go. said he was right about the strange jobs report. >> if you say so, sir. >>> in just a few hours the supreme court justices are going to begin hearing arguments concerning affirmative action in college admissions. abigail fisher claims the university of texas rejected her because she's white. let's talk to somebody who knows a lot about this firsthand. president of columbia university, president of university of michigan between 1996-2002, during which time he served as defendant in two supreme court case on affirmative action. thank you for talking with us. >> thank you for having me. >> when that case ended back in 2003, the sense was, maybe we'll need to discuss this for another 25 years. so here we are nine years later. affirmative action before the supreme court. what has changed that this is now before the supreme court again? >> well, i don't think anything has changed. i think the gruder decision which was in 2003 as you mentioned, really for the first time set down the princip
so jack welch just can't let it go. said he was right about the strange jobs report. >> if you say so, sir. >>> in just a few hours the supreme court justices are going to begin hearing arguments concerning affirmative action in college admissions. abigail fisher claims the university of texas rejected her because she's white. let's talk to somebody who knows a lot about this firsthand. president of columbia university, president of university of michigan between 1996-2002,...
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i'm friend with jack welch and i tweeted him back. i said, jack, i love you, but on this one you've just flat out lost your mind. there's an ironclad firewall with criminal penalties for anybody at the bls to have any kind of political interference or to release any of the numbers early. it's totally impossible to do that. you've seen all the reputable republicans that have worked with the bureau of labor statistics in the past, past cea chairs come out and say, look, come on, you've got to be kidding on this thing. i kind of think they were kidding. i hope they were kidding. i mean, there's absolutely no evidence of political changing the numbers. and if somebody were changing the numbers, why would you make the numbers last month worse than expected? why would you make the payroll numbers at 114,000, not especially impressive. it just doesn't make any sense. >> all right. austan, thanks very much for coming in. >> great to see you again mpkts a check of the top stories and then something that would change the headlines about the oba
i'm friend with jack welch and i tweeted him back. i said, jack, i love you, but on this one you've just flat out lost your mind. there's an ironclad firewall with criminal penalties for anybody at the bls to have any kind of political interference or to release any of the numbers early. it's totally impossible to do that. you've seen all the reputable republicans that have worked with the bureau of labor statistics in the past, past cea chairs come out and say, look, come on, you've got to be...
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rick, what do you make of what happened to him, to jack welch? >> well, again, you know, i think what we just heard from charles, who is a prominent liberal, is exactly part of i think this problem, is that we whittle around the fact that when liberals are intolerant, we can't say it for some reason. we have to pretend like it's -- everyone is intolerant and we just can't say look, it's wrong to go after stacey because she's decided as a black woman to support mitt romney. >> who didn't say that? i just said that. >> let me finish. >> what are you talking about? i just said that. >> you actually didn't say that. >> i said it was wrong to go after stacey. are you seriously saying that i didn't say that? >> what i'm saying, charles, is that you can't just say that intolerance exists. what you need to be able to do is say when liberals are intolerant that it's wrong and call them out on it. you are somebody who they look up to. if you said it, if you called it out without having piers morgan pull it out of you, it -- >> nobody pulled anything out of
rick, what do you make of what happened to him, to jack welch? >> well, again, you know, i think what we just heard from charles, who is a prominent liberal, is exactly part of i think this problem, is that we whittle around the fact that when liberals are intolerant, we can't say it for some reason. we have to pretend like it's -- everyone is intolerant and we just can't say look, it's wrong to go after stacey because she's decided as a black woman to support mitt romney. >> who...
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jack welch doesn't believe the latest unemployment rate is of real and he thinks that the chicago way has something to do with that. he suggests that the numbers have been manipulated for political reasons he said unbelievable job numbers these chicago guys will do anything, cannot debate so change job numbers. mitch romney reverses himself on the 47% comments initially sank his remarks were not elegantly stated but in an interview last night he said if the 4747 percent, up during the debate he would have said he was just completely wrong. we are live at the scene. good evening about three dozen or so bikers in france in a family of new towns and are actually here right now at the location where that tragic accident happened earlier today at the corner of ok and wells near the north side downtown and folks here basically said they are here to remember their friends and loved one and a life that was taken all too soon. those who know him say that nail townsend rode his bike to work almost year-round and today was no exception just before 9:00 this morning chicago police say the 32 year
jack welch doesn't believe the latest unemployment rate is of real and he thinks that the chicago way has something to do with that. he suggests that the numbers have been manipulated for political reasons he said unbelievable job numbers these chicago guys will do anything, cannot debate so change job numbers. mitch romney reverses himself on the 47% comments initially sank his remarks were not elegantly stated but in an interview last night he said if the 4747 percent, up during the debate he...
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when it comes to distrust and reporting, jack welch certainly is not alone. take a look at what gary tuchman uncovered about voters, about polls and, yep, the media when he followed paul ryan on the stump. >> reporter: before he walks into this college gymnasium in rochester, michigan, the crowd's already been whipped into a frenzy. and on the same day when paul ryan's done with his campaign speech here in swanton, ohio. >> i really appreciate it. thank you. >> reporter: there's no shortage of enthusiastic supporters hoping to shake the vice presidential candidate's hand. ryan then delivers a well-received stump speech. >> we need to change presidents. and we need to elect mitt romney the next president of the united states. >> reporter: but amid the enthusiasm there is anger among many people at these rallies. seething anger at the news media. >> the media lies. the media are for obama. >> i got to be honest, i can't stand it. it's brutal. it's dechtly one-sided. >> let's hear it for paul ryan. >> reporter: paul ryan said it himself that he believes there wa
when it comes to distrust and reporting, jack welch certainly is not alone. take a look at what gary tuchman uncovered about voters, about polls and, yep, the media when he followed paul ryan on the stump. >> reporter: before he walks into this college gymnasium in rochester, michigan, the crowd's already been whipped into a frenzy. and on the same day when paul ryan's done with his campaign speech here in swanton, ohio. >> i really appreciate it. thank you. >> reporter:...
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the numbers look similar to -- >> donald trump and jack welch say those numbers are all a lot of monkey babble. >> there's a tendency. i saw some democrats in my twitter feed complaining about the pew poll when they were lauding it when they had obama up by seven. we have a tendency to get rid of data we don't like. i try to look at what all the polls say and you see some where romney has a gigantic balance, some where you haven't seen much of a bounce at all. >> you tweeted today, barack obama went from a huge favorite at 1:00 p.m. to a huge underdog at 4:00 p.m. get a grip, people. >> 1:00, the gallup poll came out and showed obama improving, up the five-point lead from three before. then the pew poll came out showing this huge shift toward romney. those are both really good polls. >> the key thing is what mitt romney did in denver, he didn't blow it. had he done the performance that barack obama did, it could have been all over by now. and it isn't. game on. good to see you again. >> thank you. >> coming up, mitt romney's unexpected surge with female voters. are women abandoning the
the numbers look similar to -- >> donald trump and jack welch say those numbers are all a lot of monkey babble. >> there's a tendency. i saw some democrats in my twitter feed complaining about the pew poll when they were lauding it when they had obama up by seven. we have a tendency to get rid of data we don't like. i try to look at what all the polls say and you see some where romney has a gigantic balance, some where you haven't seen much of a bounce at all. >> you tweeted...
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do you stand by this comment from jack welch? do you think that the white house cooked the numbers in the jobs report? >> well look, we're just going to talk about the facts. there's 23 million americans who are unemployed. they're either looking for a job, they are giving up or underemployed. if we just look at the numbers and take that for what it's worth, and i don't know that we have to say much more about whether the numbers have been cooked or not. >> the numbers are also 7.8% unemployment the lowest since president obama was inaugurated, correct? >> well, let's take a look at those numbers and take a little deeper look and say, for those who are not looking for a job any longer, they're not in the work place. they're not in the work participation. if you were to add those to those numbers, we'd have about 11% unemployment. look, one month of these numbers -- >> that includes people who are retired, correct? >> but let's look at those numbers a little closer again, we're looking at 43 state months of unemployment above 8%.
do you stand by this comment from jack welch? do you think that the white house cooked the numbers in the jobs report? >> well look, we're just going to talk about the facts. there's 23 million americans who are unemployed. they're either looking for a job, they are giving up or underemployed. if we just look at the numbers and take that for what it's worth, and i don't know that we have to say much more about whether the numbers have been cooked or not. >> the numbers are also 7.8%...
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jack welch, conservative guy, came out and said unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. is there any reason for any of us to believe that these numbers might be wrong or cooked or -- >> well, it's a good question. first of all, the most important number is going to be the one that comes out 30 days from now. remember we have one more unemployment rate, unemployment picture that comes out the friday before the election. so that will obviously be the most important one in terms of the outcomes of who wins this election. but, yeah, this was generally a pretty good number. i want to go back to that point. we still have this wide diversion in these two reports in terms of where the employment picture is. one other statistic, if i may, that's not so rosie is when we look at the broad rate of unemployment, which includes people who can't find a full-time job and we include people who have dropped out of the labor force because they've just become discouraged, that number is still 14.7%. that's still a very high number and very economically t
jack welch, conservative guy, came out and said unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. is there any reason for any of us to believe that these numbers might be wrong or cooked or -- >> well, it's a good question. first of all, the most important number is going to be the one that comes out 30 days from now. remember we have one more unemployment rate, unemployment picture that comes out the friday before the election. so that will obviously be the most important...
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jack welch tweeted this, unbelievable jobs numbers, these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change the numbers. and the partisan pushing continues this morning. >> on friday we learned that the unemployment rate is now at its lowest level since i took office. >> friday's jobs report shows america still desperately needs jobs. yet the president's central and sole proposal would mean fewer jobs. >> republicans in congress need to stop trying to relaxing fight the battles of the past few years and finally start doing something to actually help the middle class get ahead. >> we can't afford four more years like the last four. falling incomes, rising prices, 23 million americans struggling for work. >> congress needs to step up and pass my plan to create a veterans job corps to help our returning heroes find work as cops, firefighters and park rangers in communities across the country. a few weeks ago republicans in the senate voted that plan down. ask them why someone who fights for this country abroad should fight for a job when they come home. >> understand that the preside
jack welch tweeted this, unbelievable jobs numbers, these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change the numbers. and the partisan pushing continues this morning. >> on friday we learned that the unemployment rate is now at its lowest level since i took office. >> friday's jobs report shows america still desperately needs jobs. yet the president's central and sole proposal would mean fewer jobs. >> republicans in congress need to stop trying to relaxing fight the...
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>> forget what jack welch said. i'm talking about people who are trying to say that perhaps people have given up. and if you look into the numbers of the bureau of labor and statistics put out, the number of people who are discouraged and have given up has gone down in the past year by 235,000. and in the past four years, by over 400,000. that number is being skewed out there by those who want to say that the job numbers aren't what they appear to be. long-term unemployment is still very, very high, but those people are still looking. >> the u-6 number for those cognizant. >> coming up -- >> you're right. republicans are in the dumps. you're right. >> no, they're trying to pretend the numbers that they depend on when they're good in their camp. >> you can't have it all. >> are skewed. >> i don't know. if it continues this way, i think republicans can have it all. >> they're not. not going to have it all. >> coming up -- i'm so excited for what's happening later in the show. we're going to talk to chicago mayor rahm
>> forget what jack welch said. i'm talking about people who are trying to say that perhaps people have given up. and if you look into the numbers of the bureau of labor and statistics put out, the number of people who are discouraged and have given up has gone down in the past year by 235,000. and in the past four years, by over 400,000. that number is being skewed out there by those who want to say that the job numbers aren't what they appear to be. long-term unemployment is still very,...
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jack welch has an opinion on this. >> he has a tweet being widely retweeted. i read from jack's certified twitter account. unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. >> okay. >> that's quite a charge. >> by jack and mark barnicle, we know jack. he's nonpartisan. >> not going there. he said that with a wink, right? >> i don't know. >> jack? >> let me tell you something seriously. these numbers don't add up. they just don't. again, i've got no dog in the fight here as far as the numbers go. >> you want them to be good. >> we all want them to be good. my dad was unemployed. i always, you know, conservatives always get angry at me when i cheer good economic news. but mike these numbers don't add up. it doesn't make sense it would drop to 7.8% with a weak participation rate and anemic number of jobs added. >> look, i am totally unqualified to weave my way through these. >> same here. >> i'm totally unqualified. i do know this though. these new unemployment numbers while offering promise and hope to a lot of people
jack welch has an opinion on this. >> he has a tweet being widely retweeted. i read from jack's certified twitter account. unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. >> okay. >> that's quite a charge. >> by jack and mark barnicle, we know jack. he's nonpartisan. >> not going there. he said that with a wink, right? >> i don't know. >> jack? >> let me tell you something seriously. these numbers...
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i think the argument that 7.8% unemployment -- i'm not jumping into any jack welch conspiracy theories or anything. i don't know if we should dance a jig over 8% unemployment. >> we're not. >> you can look at gas prices close to $4 a gallon. apparently they jumped another 20 cents in california. this is not that great of an economy. >> nobody is playing "happy days are here again." >> as you play the majs of mitt romney. he has the white sid burns. does he color his hair? i'm being sear. if he does, can we trust the guy? i'm sorry. why hasn't anyone asked that question? >> don't go to me on this. >> i have people ask me every day, why do you have donny cot the on the air? >> do you want a president of the united states who colors his hair? >> oh, my god. >> let's go to mike barnicle, ronald reagan colored his hair for 80 years. that's good. >> is that a yes? >> we don't know. >> mike, really quickly i want to touch on what jim has been talking about, the column was talking about, what a lot of middle swing voters in america are concerned about. that is that washington hasn't worked ove
i think the argument that 7.8% unemployment -- i'm not jumping into any jack welch conspiracy theories or anything. i don't know if we should dance a jig over 8% unemployment. >> we're not. >> you can look at gas prices close to $4 a gallon. apparently they jumped another 20 cents in california. this is not that great of an economy. >> nobody is playing "happy days are here again." >> as you play the majs of mitt romney. he has the white sid burns. does he...
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not if you're hyper partisan voice of corporate plutocacy like jack welch who tweeted out the following message. unbelievable jobs numbers these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. come on, jack. the notion of the department of labor plays games with these numbers for political reasons is silly ludicrous and insulting to government workers who have reported news, good and bad faithfully for many decades. it strikes me, jack, that there have been a few more cases of corporate gamesmanship with financial numbers than cases where the government was not honest in the past few years. in fact, didn't your company g.e. have an accounting issue that led to a big sec settlement not so long ago? now that you've made this outlandish claim, where is your proof, your evidence, the facts to substantiate you're certification, or is it just a partisan screed? you might remember when my office charged ge then under your leadership with a range of i am preprity we had the proof and the judge forced you to take out a full-page add admitted to your i don't think doing. the key ja
not if you're hyper partisan voice of corporate plutocacy like jack welch who tweeted out the following message. unbelievable jobs numbers these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. come on, jack. the notion of the department of labor plays games with these numbers for political reasons is silly ludicrous and insulting to government workers who have reported news, good and bad faithfully for many decades. it strikes me, jack, that there have been a few more cases of...